Missionary Conversations with Protestant Sectarians

Section V - Appendix

by Rev.  Kyril Zaits

New Sarov Press Edition 1993

Printed with the blessing


His Grace Bishop HILARION

Russian Orthodox Church

Outside of Russia

Editorial Notation: We present this to you who have had, or are having, trouble explaining the difference between the non-Orthodox, non-Catholic and Protestant denominations.

    The "Anglican Orthodox" sometimes called "Orthodox Anglicans" are, for many of them, very Orthodox in faith and use the Liturgy approved by St. Tikhon which is often referred to as the "Tikhon Liturgy".  We praise them, We bless them and We pray for them.  But many "Anglicans" outside of the Orthodox Anglican and Catholic jurisdictions are not truly Orthodox or Catholic in spirit and truth.  The same can also be said of many who claim they are "Orthodox" or even "Catholic".  Often times, we have found that those who are very "Orthodox" are the "Ethnic" who view anyone else outside of the church unless they are under a Patriarch, even though a special dispensation was given by decree.  As to those who are often extremely "Catholic" in liturgical practices, etc. are those who predominantly belong to the Roman Jurisdiction of the Catholic Church which is based in the roots of Orthodoxy (the faith).  Then, you have another breed of "Orthodox" "Catholics" who are so "ultra" in their claims of practice that they go out of their way to besmirch, by name and jurisdiction, those whom they are opposed to and they go to the extremes of airing dirty laundry as a means, they think and hope, will praise them in the eyes of mankind.  There is one last "breed" of "Orthodox Catholic Christians" who admit their errors, not afraid to seek repentance and forgiveness openly and publicly, who stand firm for the pillars of the faith including the pillar which affirms their faith by action... that being the Seals of the Confessional.

    As for the many who are Protestant in faith and praxis, this article may help in delineating those who hold to heretical teachings, theologies and practices that were never, ever, a part of the true Christian Church no matter how much they may hold to their belief with a sincerity of faith.  Those pastors or ministers of their churches are, for many of them, carpet baggers whose agendas are more political and pocket-book than having a desire to learn truth from error. They use their halls of worship as entertainment centers for such draw people in who are lazy with their faith.  They draw upon politicians to draw on those whose emotional balance for a particular issue is central to whether or not they belong to the right church.


Cafeteria Christianity is, for most of them, what Protestantism has become.


    One understanding that is so important comes forth, amongst other understandings:


Mt. 28:19-20; Eph. 4:11; 1 Cor. 12:28; Bom. 10:15; 2 Tim. 1:11; 2:2; Heb. 5:4.

(Those who may teach in the Church are: The apostles and their successors; only those set aside by Christ Himself — those who are ordained; those who are sent by the Church; those especially appointed and called by Christ, through His Church and in His Church. But no one may appropriate the position for himself as some have done and others do).

    Therefore, read all of the article, for it is very lengthy... and use it appropriately and properly.  But, remember, there are some things in this article that could very easily be applied to some of our Orthodox Catholic and Roman Catholic brothers and sisters not so much as being "Protestant" as they can be applied to the manner with which some clergy and faithful of the Orthodox Catholic jurisdictions have opted for a 'politically correct' and 'entertainment' approach' as a majority of Protestantism does, instead of what might be called the 'struggle' approach for things eternal ...

Appendix 1: Scriptures relating to the Church. (Most of the relevant Scripture is quoted in full below. This is because the King James Version, for all its great beauty, is frequently unclear. Not only does its syntax and style often render the meanings of many verses nebulous, but, in fact, the understood meanings of many words have altered greatly since the KJV was first issued. Moreover, there are some few instances of actual mistranslation in the KJV which have been willfully continued in later versions of the Bible created by non-Orthodox. The following scriptures are from the Amplified New Testament of the Zondervan Press).




Eph. 3:9-10: "Also enlighten all men and make plain to them what is the plan (regarding the gentiles and providing for the salvation of all men) of the mystery kept hidden through the ages and concealed until now in God Who created all things by Christ Jesus; that through the Church the complicated, manysided wisdom of God in all its infinite variety and innumerable aspects might now be made known ..."


1 Tim. 3:15: "If I am detained, you may know how people ought to conduct themselves in the household of God, which~is the Church of the living God, the pillar and stay of the Truth."




Mt. 16:18; 28:20 " ... I will build My Church and the gates of hades (the powers of hell) shall not overcome it." "And lo, I am with you always, even unto the consummation of the ages."




Acts 2:44: "And all who believed were united, and together they had everything in common."


Heb. 3:6: "But Christ, the Messiah was faithful over His (God the Father's) house as a Son. And it is we who are (now members) of this house, if we hold fast and firm to the end our joyful and exaltant con­fidence and sense of triumph in our hope (in Christ)."


Acts 20 :28: "Take care and be on guard for yourselves and the whole flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you bishops and guardians, to shepherd the Church of the Lord, which He obtained for Himself with His own blood." (cf. Acts 41:47).




Mt. 18:17: "If he refuses to heed them, tell it to the Church, and if he refuses to listen to the Church, let him be as a pagan and a publican." Acts 2:47: "And the Lord kept adding daily (to their number) those who were being saved."




Jn. 10:16: " ... there will be one flock under one Shepherd." Eph. 4:4-6: "(There is) one body and one Spirit, just as there is also one hope (which belongs) to the calling you received.    (There is) one Lord, one faith [And thus, it is not at all possible to accept the Protestant theory that the Church is composed of a scattered sheaf, of faiths, un-gathered and un­bound, which man, owing to the failure of Christ and God the Father to be able to do so, must gather and bind himself.], one baptism; one God and Father of us all, Who is above all, pervading all and in all."


Jn. 17:11: " ... Holy Father, keep in Your name them whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are one." 20-21: "Neither for these (the apostles) alone do I pray, but also for all those who will ever come to believe in Me through their word teaching. So that they all may be one as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, so that the world may believe and be convinced that You have sent Me."


1 Cor. 12:13: "For by means of one (Holy) Spirit we are all — whether Jews or Greeks, slaves or free — baptized into one body, and all made to drink of one (Holy) Spirit"


Rom. 12:5: "So we, numerous as we are, are one body in Christ, the Messiah, and individually, we are parts one of another — mutually dependent on one another."




1 Cor. 3:11: "For no other foundation can one lay than that which is (already) laid, which is Jesus Christ the Messiah, the Anointed One."


Mt.21:42: "Jesus asked them, 'Have you never read in the Scripture, the very Stone which the builders rejected and cast away has become the Cornerstone' ..."


Acts 4:11: "This (Jesus) is the Stone which was despised and rejected by you, the builders, but which has become the Head of the corner — the Cornerstone."

(cf. 1 Pet. 2:6; Rom. 9:33).




Eph. 5:23: " ... as Christ is the Head of the Church, Himself the Saviour of His own Body."


        Col. 1:18: "He also is the Head of (His own) Body, the Church..." (cf. Eph. 1:22; 4:15.)




Eph. 5:25-27: "... as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the Word. That He might present the Church to Himself in glorious splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing — that she might be holy and faultless."


Rom. 11:16: "Now if the first measure of dough offered as the first fruits (i.e., Abraham and the patriarchs) is consecrated (holy), so is the whole mass (of dough, i.e., the holy nation) ; and if the root is consecrated (holy), then so are the limbs."




1 Cor. 6:19; Jn. 17:17-19; 16:13; 14:26; 1 Cor. 6:11.





1 Pt. 1:15-16: "But as the One Who called you is holy, you yourselves (must) also be holy in your conduct and your manner of living, for it is written, 'You shall be holy, for I am holy'."


Eph. 4:21-24: "Assuming that you have really heard Him and been taught by Him as truth is in Jesus — embodied and personified in Him:


        Strip yourselves of your former nature which characterized your former manner of life and becomes corrupt through lusts and desires that spring from delusion; and be constantly in the spirit of your mind (i.e., have a fresh mental and spiritual attitude); and put on the new nature (the regenerate self) created in God's image, (Godlike) in true righteous­ness and holiness."


Eph. 1:4: "Even as He chose us — actually picked us out for Himself as His own — in Christ before the foundation of the world; that we should be holy (i.e., consecrated and set apart for Him) and blameless in His sight, above reproach, before Him in love."




Mt. 13:24-4; 13:47-49; 2 Tim. 2:20-21; Rom. 9:22-23.




Rom. 11:17-18; iCor. 12:21-24; Rom. 14:4; 2 Tim. 2:20.




Jn. 14:16-17; Acts 1:4-5; 2:17-18; ICor. 3:16; 12:13.




[That the Church is Catholic means that all the true saved-ones are encompassed by and gathered together in one single Church, a new race of being. That Church is the only body of Christ and encompasses the whole universe (but does not include all of mankind). Members of the Catholic Church from amongst the whole of mankind — both the living and the dead. Specifically: The Holy Orthodox Catholic Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ.]


    Heb. 12:22-24:  "But rather, you have approached unto Mount Zion, even to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to countless multitudes of angels in festal gathering, and to the Church of the Firstborn who are registered (as citizens) in heaven." (Mt 28:16-20; CoL 3:11; Mt 24:14)




Eph. 2:19-20; Rev. 21:14.




Eph. 3:21: "To Him be glory in the Church and in (and by means of) Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever." (cf. Mt 28:20)




Mt 5:14; ML 4:21; Lk.ll:33.




Mt. 28:19-20; Eph. 4:11; 1 Cor. 12:28; Bom. 10:15; 2 Tim. 1:11; 2:2; Heb. 5:4.

(Those who may teach in the Church are: The apostles and their successors; only those set aside by Christ Himself — those who are ordained; those who are sent by the Church; those especially appointed and called by Christ, through His Church and in His Church. But no one may appropriate the position for himself as the Protestants do; the Baptists, Church of Christ, Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses, Jews for Jesus, many of the Lutherans, Methodists, Seventh Day Adventists and so very many others).  May it also be said that the "ecumenism" being touted in these times in which we live where even the Roman Jurisdiction of the Catholic Church has been and is courting favor with many Protestants, are indeed courting disfavor in the eyes of God for the blasphemous acts and actions of its clergy and people to walk with heretics through the invitations of its Vatican officialdom, the candlestick is being removed in the eyes of God as a result. 




Lk. 20:35-38; 4 Kings (KJV: 2 Kings) 2:14; Rev. 14:12-13; Rev. 7:9-11; Rev. 8:3-4.




4 Kings 2:14; 4 Kings 13:21; Acts 19:12.



The essence of being canonical constitutes following the teachings of Jesus Christ as:

(a) in the dogmatic proclamations of the Seven Oecumenical Councils;

(b) in a diocese or church body being in communion (whether formally or not) with all jurisdictions or branches which have remained faithful to the Orthodox Catholic Christian way of life in both teaching and practice;

(c) in the bishops having a legitimate Orthodox Apostolic Succession and Tradition. This means that Apostolic succession is always rooted in Apostolic tradition, not a mere independent laying on of hands.

In all due respect, being part of a particular branch or Synod obviously does not make one canonical. This is especially crucial, as certain parts of Orthodoxy in modern times seem to have changed the Orthodox understanding of `canonical' into a new version of papacy.

Their definition of `canonical' is focused on being recognized, for instance, by the Patriarch of Constantinople (as if he were some sort of Eastern pope), whereas there is no such rule in the entire Canon Law (PEDALION "Rudder"). They appear to have adopted the corrupted Ecclesiology of the Roman jurisdiction of the Catholic Church by making legitimacy or canonicity dependant upon recognition by a particular Patriarch or Pope.

This "neo-papal" concept has no historical precedent in Holy Orthodoxy and contradicts centuries of Orthodox tradition back to the times of the Holy Apostles. It is as if by being in communion with a particular segment of Orthodoxy, whether Patriarchal or not, somehow would make one Orthodox.

Seeking worldly recognition in the eyes of men and a corrupted society by merely understanding the administrative, legal unity of the church instead of the true unity, which only can exist in the authentic Orthodox Catholic way of life, is spiritually detrimental, utterly false and not at all Orthodox or even Catholic. The forming of self-styled organizations in mutual recognition with the purpose of denouncing others as being not canonical or in proclaiming themselves as the only legitimate ones, constitutes the grave sin of "condemning one's brother and sister" (St. Ephraim).

What is our call in this situation? - In order to remain canonical, we cannot join in such unholy endeavors. Living the Orthodox way of life must be most important to us. Engaging in assaults on individuals or others is contrary to the holy faith and most sinful. We said "assaults" which means that we must upbraid our brothers and sisters in the vineyard when they fail or refuse to abide by all that which had been handed down to them. Let us continue to live as true Orthodox Catholic Christians who obey the Gospel commands as we invite those "of good will" (Luke 2:14) to join us. Once the worldly-minded through the grace of God will understand what `being canonical' really means - then the truth shall be revealed: Where faith, doctrine and practice prevail, there is Orthodox Catholic Christianity. Where faith, doctrine and practice are compromised, canonicity, catholicity and Orthodoxy are absent despite any claims of a lines of succession, communion or sort of recognition that may exist through artificial means.


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Daily News is very important to those who are true Orthodox Catholic Christians.  For without knowing or gaining information for understanding about what is happening in one's local area and around the world, you could  find yourself faced with denied services in the secular area, lack of income, even (although it sounds far-fetched) ability to worship openly for the time is not far off when all will have to decide if they wish to follow the Anti-Christ through the One World Church and One World Government as prophesied by the Apocalypse, the Book of Revelation of St. John or follow the faith delivered once and for all which will cause for many to be denied the abilities to survive under those kind of conditions, causing for one to consider other options. 


Many of those who subscribe to, and some who have caused or are the cause for, these things to happen are involved in or with the Roman Jurisdiction of the Catholic Church (which is not the seat of all things "Catholic") as well as its protestant daughters such as the cultic Jehovah's Witnesses, the Pentecostal Churches, the Church of Latter Day Saints also known as the Mormon Church and far too many more to list. 


Yet, at this web site we do provide some of the reasons about why they are opined to be the harbingers of that which is prophesied in Holy Scripture for the bringing about of the End Times which we have already entered.  It is not necessarily their individual members or parishioners that should be blamed since they are only the "Sheep" and not the Shepherds... So do not think we castigate individual people of themselves as we castigate those "money changers" who Jesus Christ chased out of His Father's House as the Bible Describes; for they exist in these present times too.


Events are already rushing toward that time in which this is beginning to happen and will become more fully wide-spread. In these present times all you need to really do is look around both your local and larger areas as to what is really on-going through.  Things so very little or miniscule that they are barely noticeable except to the more informed observer may become apparent. 

Those little things are the laws of the land, economics, politics, the degrading and erosion of those rights and liberties afforded by the Constitution of these United States of America and many other things such as the manner with which entertainments have taken over much of the populace, entering into and becoming a major focus in worship, and more. 

We ask you, if you don't want to believe us... Have you heard, seen or found what is termed (of the many terms being used) that there are "holding areas" or "camps" or "Closed/Fenced communities" being built by GOVERNMENT? 

Here in North America, especially in the United States of America, we must admit that what Russia has come out of (a communistic, atheist country) we are entering into.  And one last thing that needs also to be understood... Something very important to those of you who are "Catholic" in the Roman sense of its jurisdiction....   And, we believe this also holds true for many who are "Orthodox" whether "Eastern" or "Western"....

[ * Non-Denominational = Synchrestic Ecumenism, Disease of Scholasticism, altering the Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ to accommodate the disease of Political Correctness and CULTIC PROTESTANTISM, and the Roman Jurisdiction (Latin Church = Vatican) of the Catholic Church) breaking of - or failure and refusal to respect and abide by  - the ancient Seven Ecumenical "Do Not" Canons which leaves everything else open to God's gift of creativity... failure & refusal to abide by and have respect for those who diligently protect one of the other Pillars of the Church, the Seals of the Confessional, but "Non-Denominational" also includes worshiping Satan's religion of Muslim, Islam by praying with them and other heretics such as 'Pentecostalism,' 'Jehovah's Witnesses,' 'Mormons,' 'Church of Christ,' any so-called church with "Community Church" in their nomenclature and others who by their false and misleading dogmas and doctrines are actually against the Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ upon whom and for exacting reason we are called "Christian" in both spirit and truth from which non-denominational protestant sectarian claimants have departed from as being so-called Christian] Only a skilled spiritual father can help you!

Remember: You cannot ride two horses or serve two masters for one of them will be harmed by your thoughts, your very words and your actions which is to blaspheme the Holy Ghost (Spirit) who will depart from you.  And when the Holy Spirit departs, the great deceiver (unbeknownst to you) will rush in to fill the void under disguise of being the Holy Spirit!  Testing of the Holy Spirit to insure it is the Holy Spirit does not, for many a Sectarian Protestant and Roman, work because the Great Deceiver (Satan) is most skilled in worming and snaking his charms around your mind and heart to feign being the Holy Spirit.  Remember, Satan has the same gifts similar to the Holy Spirit but Satan's gifts are UN-HOLY and lead all who accept him (unbeknownst to you) to perdition.

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