Missionary Conversations
with
Protestant Sectarians
Section V - Appendix
by
Rev. Kyril Zaits

New Sarov Press Edition
1993
Printed
with the blessing
of
His Grace
Bishop HILARION
Russian
Orthodox Church
Outside
of Russia
Editorial Notation:
We present this to you who have
had, or are having, trouble explaining the difference between the non-Orthodox,
non-Catholic and Protestant denominations.
The "Anglican Orthodox"
sometimes called "Orthodox Anglicans" are, for many of them, very Orthodox in
faith and use the Liturgy approved by St. Tikhon which is often referred to as
the "Tikhon Liturgy". We praise them, We bless them and We pray for them.
But many "Anglicans" outside of the Orthodox Anglican and Catholic jurisdictions
are not truly Orthodox or Catholic in spirit and truth. The same can also
be said of many who claim they are "Orthodox" or even "Catholic".
Often times, we have found that those who are very "Orthodox" are the "Ethnic"
who view anyone else outside of the church unless they are under a Patriarch,
even though a special dispensation was given by decree. As to those who
are often extremely "Catholic" in liturgical practices, etc. are those who
predominantly belong to the Roman Jurisdiction of the Catholic Church which is
based in the roots of Orthodoxy (the faith). Then, you have another breed
of "Orthodox" "Catholics" who are so "ultra" in their claims of practice that
they go out of their way to besmirch, by name and jurisdiction, those whom they
are opposed to and they go to the extremes of airing dirty laundry as a means,
they think and hope, will praise them in the eyes of mankind. There is one
last "breed" of "Orthodox Catholic Christians" who admit their errors, not
afraid to seek repentance and forgiveness openly and publicly, who stand firm
for the pillars of the faith including the pillar which affirms their faith by
action... that being the Seals of the Confessional.
As for the
many who are Protestant in faith and praxis, this article may help in
delineating those who hold to heretical teachings, theologies and practices that
were never, ever, a part of the true Christian Church no matter how much they
may hold to their belief with a sincerity of faith. Those pastors or
ministers of their churches are, for many of them, carpet baggers whose agendas
are more political and pocket-book than having a desire to learn truth from
error. They use their halls of worship as entertainment centers for such draw
people in who are lazy with their faith. They draw upon politicians to
draw on those whose emotional balance for a particular issue is central to
whether or not they belong to the right church.
Cafeteria Christianity is, for
most of them, what Protestantism has become.
One
understanding that is so important comes forth, amongst other understandings:
WHO MAY TEACH IN THE CHURCH
Mt. 28:19-20; Eph. 4:11; 1
Cor. 12:28; Bom. 10:15; 2 Tim. 1:11; 2:2; Heb. 5:4.
(Those who may teach in the
Church are: The apostles and their successors; only those set aside by Christ
Himself those who are ordained; those who are sent by the Church; those
especially appointed and called by Christ, through His Church and in His Church.
But no one may appropriate the position for himself as some have done and others
do).
Therefore, read all of
the article, for it is very lengthy... and use it appropriately and properly.
But, remember, there are some things in this article that could very easily be
applied to some of our Orthodox Catholic and Roman Catholic brothers and sisters
not so much as being "Protestant" as they can be applied to the manner with
which some clergy and faithful of the Orthodox Catholic jurisdictions have opted for a
'politically correct' and 'entertainment' approach' as a majority of
Protestantism does, instead of what might be
called the 'struggle' approach for things eternal ...
Appendix
1: Scriptures relating to the
Church. (Most of the relevant Scripture is quoted in full below. This is because
the King James Version, for all its great beauty, is frequently unclear. Not
only does its syntax and style often render the meanings of many verses
nebulous, but, in fact, the understood meanings of many words have altered
greatly since the KJV was first issued. Moreover, there are some few instances
of actual mistranslation in the KJV which have been willfully continued in later
versions of the Bible created by non-Orthodox. The
following scriptures are from the Amplified
New Testament of the Zondervan Press).
1.
THE CHURCH IS THE CHANNEL
OF REVELATION,
TEACHING AND SALVATION
Eph.
3:9-10:
"Also enlighten all men and make plain to them what is
the plan (regarding the gentiles
and providing for the salvation of all men) of the mystery kept hidden through
the ages and concealed until now in God Who created all things by Christ Jesus;
that through the Church the complicated, manysided wisdom of God in all
its infinite variety and innumerable aspects might now be made known
..."
1
Tim.
3:15:
"If I am
detained, you may know how people ought to conduct themselves in the
household of God, which~is the Church of the
living God, the pillar and stay
of the Truth."
2.
THE CHURCH IS FOUNDED BY
CHRIST AND WILL
ENDURE TO ETERNITY
Mt.
16:18; 28:20 " ... I will build
My Church and the gates of hades (the powers of hell) shall not overcome
it." "And lo, I am with you always, even unto the consummation of the ages."
3.
THE CHURCH IS A VISIBLE,
GOVERNED COMMUNITY
Acts
2:44:
"And all who believed were united, and together they had
everything in common."
Heb.
3:6: "But Christ, the Messiah was
faithful over His (God the Father's) house as a Son. And it is we who are (now
members) of this house, if we hold fast and firm to the end our joyful and
exaltant confidence and sense of triumph in our hope (in Christ)."
Acts
20 :28: "Take care and be on guard for yourselves and the whole
flock over
which the Holy Spirit has appointed you bishops and
guardians, to shepherd the Church
of the Lord, which He
obtained for Himself with His own blood." (cf. Acts 41:47).
4.
ONE MUST HEED AND OBEY THE CHURCH
AND BE JOINED TO IT
Mt.
18:17: "If he refuses to heed
them, tell it to the Church, and if he refuses to listen to the Church, let him
be as a pagan and a publican." Acts 2:47: "And the Lord kept adding daily
(to their number) those who were being saved."
5.
THE CHURCH 1S ONE
Jn.
10:16: " ... there will be one
flock under one Shepherd." Eph. 4:4-6: "(There is) one body and one
Spirit, just as there is also one hope
(which belongs) to the calling you received. (There is) one Lord, one
faith [And thus, it is not at all possible to accept the Protestant
theory that the Church is composed of a scattered sheaf, of faiths, un-gathered
and unbound, which man, owing to the failure of Christ and God the Father to be
able to do so, must gather and bind himself.],
one baptism; one God and Father of us all, Who is above
all, pervading all and in all."
Jn.
17:11: " ... Holy Father, keep in
Your name them whom You have given Me, that
they may be one as We are one." 20-21: "Neither for these (the apostles)
alone do I pray, but also for all those who will ever come to believe in Me
through their word teaching. So that they all may be one as You, Father, are in
Me and I in You, that they also may be one
in Us, so that the world may believe and be convinced that You have sent
Me."
1 Cor. 12:13: "For by
means of one (Holy) Spirit we are all
whether Jews or Greeks, slaves or free baptized into one body, and all
made to drink of one (Holy) Spirit"
Rom. 12:5: "So we, numerous as
we are, are one body in Christ, the Messiah, and individually, we are parts one
of another mutually dependent on one
another."
6.
TEE FOUNDATION OF THE CHURCH
1
Cor. 3:11: "For no other foundation can one lay than that which is (already)
laid, which is Jesus Christ the Messiah, the Anointed One."
Mt.21:42:
"Jesus
asked them, 'Have you never read in the Scripture,
the very Stone which the builders rejected and cast away has become
the Cornerstone' ..."
Acts
4:11: "This (Jesus) is the Stone
which was despised and rejected by you, the builders, but which has become the
Head of the corner the Cornerstone."
(cf. 1 Pet. 2:6; Rom. 9:33).
7.
THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH IS
CHRIST
Eph.
5:23: " ... as Christ is the Head
of the Church, Himself the Saviour of His
own Body."
Col.
1:18: "He also is the Head of (His
own) Body, the Church..." (cf. Eph. 1:22; 4:15.)
8.
THE CHURCH IS HOLY
(CONSECRATED)
Eph.
5:25-27:
"... as Christ loved the Church and
gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by
the washing of water with the Word. That He might present the Church to Himself
in glorious splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing that she might
be holy and faultless."
Rom.
11:16: "Now if the first measure
of dough offered as the first fruits (i.e., Abraham and the patriarchs) is
consecrated (holy), so is the whole mass (of dough, i.e., the holy nation) ; and
if the root is consecrated (holy), then so are the limbs."
9.
THE CHURCH AND ITS MEMBERS ARE HOLY
1 Cor. 6:19; Jn. 17:17-19; 16:13; 14:26; 1 Cor. 6:11.
10.
MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH ARE CALLED TO STRUGGLE
TOWARDS HOLINESS
1 Pt. 1:15-16: "But as
the One Who called you is holy, you yourselves (must) also be holy in your
conduct and your manner of living, for it is written, 'You shall be holy, for I
am holy'."
Eph.
4:21-24: "Assuming that you have
really heard Him and been taught by Him as truth is in Jesus embodied and
personified in Him:
Strip yourselves of your former nature which characterized your former manner of
life and becomes corrupt through lusts and desires that spring from delusion;
and be constantly in the spirit of your mind (i.e., have a fresh mental and
spiritual attitude); and put on the new nature (the regenerate self) created in
God's image, (Godlike) in true righteousness and holiness."
Eph.
1:4: "Even as He chose us
actually picked us out for Himself as His own in Christ before the foundation
of the world; that we should be holy (i.e., consecrated and set apart for Him)
and blameless in His sight, above reproach, before Him in love."
11.
THAT SINNERS ARE ALSO
ALLOWED INTO
THE
CHURCH
Mt.
13:24-4; 13:47-49; 2 Tim. 2:20-21;
Rom. 9:22-23.
12.
THE CHURCH CANNOT BE REPROACHED FOR
ALLOWING
SINNERS INTO ITSELF
Rom. 11:17-18;
iCor. 12:21-24; Rom. 14:4; 2 Tim. 2:20.
13.
THE HOLT
SPIRIT ABIDES IN THE CHURCH AND IN THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH
Jn. 14:16-17;
Acts 1:4-5; 2:17-18; ICor. 3:16; 12:13.
14.
THE CHURCH IS CATHOLIC
[That the
Church is Catholic means that all the true saved-ones are encompassed by and
gathered together in one single Church, a new race of being. That Church is the
only body of Christ and encompasses the whole universe (but does not include all
of mankind). Members of the Catholic Church
from amongst the whole of mankind both the living and the dead.
Specifically: The Holy Orthodox Catholic Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ.]
Heb.
12:22-24: "But
rather, you have approached unto Mount Zion,
even to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to countless
multitudes of angels in festal gathering, and to the Church of
the Firstborn who are registered (as
citizens) in heaven." (Mt 28:16-20; CoL 3:11; Mt 24:14)
15.
THE CHURCH
IS APOSTOLIC.
Eph. 2:19-20; Rev. 21:14.
16.
THE CHURCH HAS AN UNBROKEN
CONTINUITY.
Eph.
3:21:
"To Him be glory in the Church and in (and by means
of)
Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever."
(cf. Mt
28:20)
I7.
THE
CHURCH CANNOT BE HIDDEN OR
INVISIBLE
Mt
5:14; ML 4:21; Lk.ll:33.
18.
WHO MAY TEACH IN THE CHURCH
Mt. 28:19-20; Eph. 4:11; 1
Cor. 12:28; Bom. 10:15; 2 Tim. 1:11; 2:2; Heb. 5:4.
(Those who may teach in the
Church are: The apostles and their successors; only those set aside by Christ
Himself those who are ordained; those who are sent by the Church; those
especially appointed and called by Christ, through His Church and in His Church.
But no one may appropriate the position for himself as the Protestants do; the
Baptists, Church of Christ, Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses, Jews for Jesus,
many of the Lutherans, Methodists, Seventh Day Adventists and so very many
others). May it also be said that the "ecumenism" being touted in these
times in which we live where even the Roman Jurisdiction of the Catholic Church
has been and is courting favor with many Protestants, are indeed courting
disfavor in the eyes of God for the blasphemous acts and actions of its clergy
and people to walk with heretics through the invitations of its Vatican
officialdom, the candlestick is being removed in the eyes of God as a result.
19.
COMMUNION OF SAINTS
Lk.
20:35-38; 4 Kings (KJV: 2 Kings) 2:14; Rev. 14:12-13;
Rev.
7:9-11; Rev. 8:3-4.
20.
RELICS
4
Kings 2:14; 4 Kings 13:21; Acts 19:12.
GRAMMATA ON THE MEANING OF CANONICAL:
The
essence of being canonical constitutes following the teachings of Jesus
Christ as:
(a) in the dogmatic proclamations of the Seven Oecumenical Councils;
(b) in a diocese or church body being in communion (whether formally or
not) with all jurisdictions or branches which have remained faithful to
the Orthodox Catholic Christian way of life in both teaching and practice;
(c) in the bishops having a legitimate Orthodox Apostolic Succession
and Tradition. This means that Apostolic succession is always rooted in
Apostolic tradition, not a mere independent laying on of hands.
In all due respect, being part of a particular branch or Synod
obviously does not make one canonical. This is especially crucial, as certain
parts of Orthodoxy in modern times seem to have changed the Orthodox
understanding of `canonical' into a new version of papacy.
Their definition of `canonical' is focused on being recognized, for
instance, by the Patriarch of Constantinople (as if he were some sort of
Eastern pope), whereas there is no such rule in the entire Canon Law
(PEDALION "Rudder"). They appear to have adopted the corrupted
Ecclesiology of the Roman jurisdiction of the Catholic Church by making legitimacy or canonicity dependant
upon recognition by a particular Patriarch or Pope.
This "neo-papal" concept has no historical precedent in Holy Orthodoxy
and contradicts centuries of Orthodox tradition back to the times of
the Holy Apostles. It is as if by being in communion with a particular
segment of Orthodoxy, whether Patriarchal or not, somehow would make one
Orthodox.
Seeking worldly recognition in the eyes of men and a corrupted society
by merely understanding the administrative, legal unity of the church
instead of the true unity, which only can exist in the authentic
Orthodox Catholic way of life, is spiritually detrimental, utterly false and not at all
Orthodox or even Catholic. The forming of self-styled organizations in mutual
recognition with the purpose of denouncing others as being not canonical or in
proclaiming themselves as the only legitimate ones, constitutes the grave
sin of "condemning one's brother and sister" (St. Ephraim).
What is our call in this situation? - In order to remain canonical, we
cannot join in such unholy endeavors. Living the Orthodox way of life
must be most important to us. Engaging in assaults on individuals or others is contrary
to the holy faith and most sinful. We said "assaults" which means that we must
upbraid our brothers and sisters in the vineyard when they fail or refuse to abide by all
that which had been handed down to them. Let us continue to live as true
Orthodox Catholic Christians who obey the Gospel commands as we invite those "of
good will" (Luke 2:14) to join us. Once the worldly-minded through the
grace of God will understand what `being canonical' really means - then
the truth shall be revealed: Where faith, doctrine and practice prevail,
there is Orthodox Catholic Christianity. Where faith, doctrine and practice are compromised,
canonicity, catholicity and Orthodoxy are absent despite any claims of
a lines of succession, communion or sort of recognition that may exist through artificial
means.
The lives of monks consist of a podvig [(spiritual) exploit] of repentance
and of withdrawal from the world. They flee from judging their neighbor
in his moral falls, considering themselves to be sinners and the worst
of all men. But, when it is demanded of monks and other clergy, that they remain humble and
indifferent to questions of faith, then do they cast off humility
and obedience. It is demanded of them, by the conscience of the Church, the
faith in and for the Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ that
They rise up when the truth of Orthodoxy is
threatened. They are supported in this by a living conscience and by a
sense of responsibility for that faith for which our forebears-martyrs
and confessors alike-sacrificed everything, even their very lives. And in this
we must also follow...
Back or go
to Any One of the following articles:
-
Modern Day Ecumenism and its horrors.
-
The Fundamentalist -
Evangelical Cults of Pentecostalism, Jehovah's Witnesses and many others...
-
Regarding
Ecumenism...
-
Goals of
Ecumenism...
-
Is
Christianity at the Crossroads
-
Ecumenism - path to peridition
-
Is Christianity Collapsing - Part 1 & 2
-
Missionary Conversations with Protestant Sectarians - Part 1 & 2, 3, 4,
and 5...
-
Pedophilia
condoned by Islam (Muslim) - Does A parallel ethos exist in some Protestant
cults and Independent 'Catholic' movements???
A Reply to Protestant Sectarians
Ancient
Canons/Seven Ecumenical Councils
An Understanding of the Ancient Canons
A bit of understanding about the Fundamentalist Cults....

You have reached the end of the primary article or news
item posted.
Scroll down the page for more interesting
articles and information or Go Back To:
Commemorations
Daily News
About Our
Jurisdictions
HOLY ORDERS
Who Are:
The Thaddean Fathers?
AOC/NAOC
Clergy
Our
Clergy Application & Agreement
HIV/AIDS
OUTREACH PROJECT OF SOUTHWEST NEW MEXICO
EDUCATION
Seminary
A Call
To Discovery of Self
Luna county freedom AND TRUTH
Apostasy
Index
Pascha - Lenten Season - Easter
PAN (Prisoners & Parolees
Anonymous)
Lines of Succession and a Grammata on the meaning of Canonical
MISSIONARY CONVERSATIONS WITH PROTESTANT SECTARIANS
A Reply to Protestant Sectarians
Modern Day Ecumenism & Its Horrors
Ancient
Canons/Seven Ecumenical Councils
An Understanding of the Ancient Canons
Ancient
Canons/Seven Ecumenical Councils
A bit of understanding about the Fundamentalist Cults....
Home Page
Notice the New Mailing Address for all
Holy Orders, Institutions and organizations under the
AMERICAN ORTHODOX CHURCH
and the
NORTH AMERICAN ORTHODOX CHURCH:
P.O. Box 1652, Columbus, NM 88029
Institutions include, but are not limited
to the following:
Monastic Community of St. John Maximovitch
& the Holy Theotokos, Catholic Christian Church, Western Orthodox
Theological Institute [W.O.T.I.], Orthodox Benedictine, Thaddean Fathers,
Holy Order of St. Jude Thaddeus, Apostle1.com, Prisoners & Parolees
Anonymous (PAN)

Copyright Notice
This website is the property of the American Orthodox Church (AOC),
North American Orthodox Church (NAOC) and the American Orthodox Catholic
Church (AOCC).
This website and all it's contents are under Copyright © 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003,
2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 by the American Orthodox Church (AOC), North American Orthodox
Church (NAOC) and the American Orthodox Catholic Church (AOCC).
All Rights Reserved under International Copyright Conventions.
No part or whole of this website may be reproduced or utilized in any form or by
any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopying, recording, or
by any information, storage or retrieval system, without permission in
writing from either the American Orthodox Church (AOC), North American
Orthodox Church (NAOC) or the American Orthodox Catholic Church (AOCC).
Information provided in any directory(ies) may not be recompiled into other directories
or used as the basis for a derived work without explicit written permission.
U.S. Copyright Office
Library of
Congress
101 Independence Ave. S.E. Washington,
D.C. 20559-6000
http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/
For permission to copy or use any of this
material please contact us by using the E-Mail or the Postal Address located
at the left of this page.
Regarding Copyrighted (c) Copyrighted
Logos at this website:
All logos of this Website are copyrighted by their owners and Apostle1.com
in California and/or New Mexico 2003, 2004, 2005,
2006 by the
American Orthodox Church, Inc. (California), North
American Orthodox Church (New Mexico) and the American Orthodox Catholic Church Designed by Webfriar Ministries, and His Eminence Metropolitan Archbishop
+Joseph Thaddeus (Stanford), OSB, SSJt., Ph.D.

Free Hit Counter
Home Page



Physical Mailing Address Change as of April
15, 2007:
P.O. Box 1652, Columbus, NM 88029
Church International Communications
Headquarters Telephone:
(505) 544-8279